Bisping vs Shamrock for UFC 75?

I just got done reading www.ufcjunkie.com and it looks like Ken Shamrock wants to come out of retirement. Talk about delusions of grandure. I guess he thinks that if Randy Couture can do it, so can he. Anyways, was wanting to know others' thoughts about how this fight could go and what they think of the old man coming out of retirement. anyways, you can check out the article here.... http://ufcjunkie.com/category/ken-shamro...

Bisping vs Shamrock for UFC 75?
I read this yesterday on UFC junkie as well and was really pissed. Ken needs to stay retired, he is not the same fighter he usede to be, he is past his time and just making a fool out of himself. Bisping was originally scheduled to fight Matt Hamill which would have been an interesting and there has been no explanation as to why that fight was scratched for this lame fight. Ken is a legend no doubt but it is due to his early career, look at his record now. He has lost four straight fight, two to Tito, one to Sakuraba, and one to Rich Franklin. Going even further he has lost in his last seven figh dating back to 2002 he is 1-6 and the only win came against the always overrated Kimo in 2004. 3 years and he hasnt won a fight, anyone else would be gone from the UFC.





Ken needs to realize he is done, finished, washed up, he is no good anymore, the game has passed him. I used to be a fan of Shamrocks but his ego has gotten in the way of his better judgement, he still thinks he is a great fighter and he isnt, get has become a punching bag for young fighters. His last 5 losses have been KOs, he is going to up a vegetable if he doesnt retire soon. This is a bad move giving Ken another fight.
Reply:thanks for the news. Shamrock is a serious guy i think he has a great chance to win, although i don't think thats what he is after. I think it might be more important for him to shake up a little in a tournament, he is porbably just tired of the lay life.
Reply:I am sure that Shamrock was the man in his day but i dont think he has much of a chance.Todays fighters are better thanks to people like Shamrock.Maybe its about the money....Shamrock probably didnt get paid much like fighters do today.
Reply:I tried with Bisping during the "early days" when he lived in Clitheroe (UK) before appearing (and winning) TUF. Bisping is a great all-rounder and will spank Shamrock back into retirement. Bisping needs experience, granted, but he's the sort of prodigy fighter who will only get better with time. Unlike Shamrock, who seems to get worse with time.
Reply:I still have my doubts that this story is true. I'm surprised UFC would even let him fight again. Shamrock is a total joke now.
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Reply:Ken was a great wrestler, great Pancrase fighter, and I hear is one of the best cornermen and trainers (a friend of mine rolled with him in the late 90's and early 00's at Lion's Den in Dallas/Fort Worth.), but his UFC and today's UFC are two different entities. His last fight, for instance, was mostly Ken pacing, retreating, against a superior cage fighter. These guys today are great at using the cage itself as a weapon, which none of the guys he went against in early UFC's were. Likewise, his style of fighting, pacing, waiting for the opportunity to shoot for the leg, and barely throwing his hands or feet at all, is done, over, gone. Against a new guy in KotC, Hook'n'Shoot, WEC, maybe. Against experienced UFC level fighters? Worthless. But, don't take my word for it. I am biased against him, since he and Guy Mezger were rude and inconsiderate at a couple of Pancrase tournies my friend and i attended in Texas in 98/99/00. Tre Telligman, one of his better fighters, was a very nice guy though. He was more than willing to talk and watch matches from the stands like the "regular" guys, while Guy and Ken shunned anyone not from the LD and actually shoved a fighter wanting an autograph away fairly forcibly.





But, regardless of his personal problems, his fighting prowess in Pancrase was fairly unmatched at his weight class. He has outstanding wrestling ability, coupled with superb leglocks, but it's so hard for him to shoot in nowadays that he catches punch after punch, knee after knee,when he tries, thus KO'ing himself.
Reply:Bisping will win this rumored fight easily.





Shamrock retired after the third Tito beating he took. He should stay retired. I would go so far as to say that most UFC fighters would beat Shamrock today. Lightweights included.





The reasoning goes beyond the fact that he lost 5 of his last 6 fights, it is the fact that his last 3 fights were all ended by flash KO's. He recovered fairly quickly but each time he didn't know he was Ko'ed. That is a very bad sign and he risks permanent damage if he gets in the ring again. For his own sake, he should stay retired.





-Ken's takedown defense isn't good enough to stop modern day UFC guys who are training with former All-American or world class wrestlers.


-His striking ability is mostly boxing with some kicks but he up against people training in world class muay thai and k1 fighting. He had no defense to the Thai clinch which Tito used on him in all 3 fights.


-Ken's guard does not have the necessary jujitsu defenses, submission, sweeps that most average fighters in this day and age of UFC use frequently to deal with a good ground and pounder.


- His training camps have shown where he is maximizing his endurance and cardio, but what modern MMA fighters do not work on their cardio??? This is no longer an advantage unless he is going against rookie fighters training on their own.


The result: His fighting skills are still in 1995-8 era and he hasn't improved them.





Last 4 fights, all losses:


Rich Franklin - Ken caught Franklin in a heel hook which he ended up escaping from. Ken also fell twice trying head kicks. Franklin ended up pounding Ken into submission.





Sakuraba - Saku caught him with a shot and Ken turned face down, flopping onto the mat. The ref stopped it even though Ken protested.





Tito II and III - Ken rushed in swinging but Tito caught him in a Thai clinch, which Shamrock had no answer for. Tito proceeded to slam Shamrock to the ground and GNP both times to victory.








The only opponents that could be worth it due to selling curiousity tickets would be:


1) Frank Shamrock, his adopted brother - I think Frank would smoke him, but it would probably sell some tickets.


2) David "Tank" Abbott - Another old school UFC guy that has had a problem with Ken for years. It would have to be an open weight fight 'cause I don't see Abbott getting down to 205, ever...


3) Royce Gracie - It would be like a Old timer's UFC tournament. Geritol could sponsor.


4) Mike Tyson - Over the hill former World boxing champion vs. over the hill former UFC champion. More hype than substance.
Reply:I'd rather watch Matt Hamill fight Bisping, but I think Shamrock could catch Bisping in a leg lock.
Reply:I think it would be interesting. I don't think Shamrock is half the fighter he used to be, but I also think Bisping is a little overrated right now. I don't think he did a good job against Eric Shaefer and Sinosic rocked him pretty good in their fight. I think Bisping's conditioning is great and I think he would beat Ken. But I would like to see Bisping get some tougher fights maybe against Jason Lambert, Evans, Keith Jardine, or Machida then we would see how good he really is
Reply:Shamrock was in fact the man in the early UFC days. His unique skill set put him ahead of the rest of the 1 dimentional fighters. Today's fighters are (usually) so well rounded that they are now on the same plane of skills. Now the deciding factor would be age. While the younger fighters have to respect the fact that Shamrock has seen just about everything MMA has to throw at him (no pun intended), however, youth and current training methods can somewhat counter that experience and when combined with youth, Shamrock loses to Bisping. I don't think Bisping would punish him the way Ortiz did, but the end result would be the same. Bisping by TKO in the 2nd.
Reply:Bisping takes it... Ken just doesn't have the heart anymore. Tito treated him like a 15 year old at a frat party and I haven't seen him be competitive in a fight in a long time. It's a shame because he was very good in his prime although I always thought Frank was better.
Reply:I think UFC figures this is a way to push michael bisbing in home country have him defeat a hall of famer and the other 3 hall of famers randy coutrue is still active as his dan the beast severn and royce gracie is out side of the weight class so they bring shamrock back a great figher except past his prime same reaosn bisbing face elvis sinosic last time they wer ein england they want him winning in fornt of the home crowed makes it look good since UFC is more interested in attacing the pro wrestlign style fans then real fight fans